Agenda and minutes

Venue: virtual meeting platform

Contact: Jenny Preece, Democratic Services Officer 

Link: Watch this meeting live on the Herefordshire Council Youtube Channel

Items
No. Item

1.

ELECTION OF CHAIRPERSON

To elect a chairperson for the ensuring year.

Minutes:

Alison Banner was proposed and unanimously supported by members of the forum.

 

Resolved: that Alison Banner be elected chairperson of the Forum for the ensuing year.

 

2.

ELECTION OF VICE-CHAIRPERSON

To elect a vice-chairperson for the ensuing year.

Minutes:

Paul Jennings was proposed and unanimously supported by members of the forum.

 

Resolved: that Paul Jennings be elected vice-chairperson of the Forum for the ensuing year.

 

3.

APOLOGIES FOR ABSENCE

To receive apologies for absence.

Minutes:

Apologies were received from Nicki Emmett, Richard Foster, Andy Gosling, Edward Gwilliam, Paul Jennings, Hayley Manns, Gemma Martin, Rose Lloyd and Sheila Taylor.  

 

4.

NAMED SUBSTITUTES (if any)

To receive any details of Members nominated to attend the meeting in place of a Member of the Forum.

Minutes:

The following substitutes were noted:

 

Sian Lines for Gemma Martin.

 

Lynn Johnson for Andy Gosling.

 

5.

DECLARATIONS OF INTEREST

To receive any declarations of interest by Members in respect of items on the Agenda.

Minutes:

There were no declaration of interests.

6.

MINUTES pdf icon PDF 130 KB

To approve and sign the minutes of the meeting held on 12 July 2024.

Minutes:

A correction was made to the presentation of forum member Beverley Blower.

 

Resolved: the minutes of the meeting held on 12 July 2024 be approved as a correct record.

7.

NATIONAL SCHOOLS FUNDING FORMULA 2025/26 UPDATE pdf icon PDF 312 KB

To provide an update to the forum on national school funding issues, including the recommendations of the budget working group (BWG) on the Herefordshire schools’ budget 2025/26.

 

Additional documents:

Minutes:

The Senior Finance Business Partner (SFBP) introduced the item the purpose of which was to provide an update to the forum on national school funding issues, including the recommendations of the budget working group (BWG) on the Herefordshire schools’ budget 2025/26.

 

  • The national funding formula (NFF) was yet to be received and communication from the Education & Skills Funding Agency (ESFA) received on 3 October suggested this would come after the Budget announcement on 30 October 2024, with the dedicated schools grant (DSG) allocations to be published in December 2024.
  • As this information was not available it posed potential risk in the budgeting process.

·       The forum was asked to consider whether Herefordshire should use the approach to school funding for 2025/26 broadly using the approach used for 2024/25 (as detailed below) and how they thought the best approach was for dealing with consultations with schools.

o   Seek to fund schools at the National Funding Formula values.

o   To fund schools at the maximum permitted Minimum Funding Guarantee (0.5% given in 2024/25)

o   To use the school block transfer process (max 0.5%) towards the SEN Protection Scheme (in line with 2024/25)

o   De-delegations in place as at 2024/25 to remain for 2025/26.

o   To avoid the DSG deficit escalating further – the high needs block strategy is under review in line with DSG Management Plan

 

In response to forum questions and comments, it was noted;

 

1.     The SFBP would provide clarity with regards to de-delegations with special schools as they are not subject to the national funding formula.

2.     It was essential that schools are consulted as part of the democratic process and an online form such as Microsoft teams or survey monkey be used to support response rates were recommended and would be actioned by officers.

 

Resolved that: a) the Schools Forum reviewed the budget approach for setting the schools 2025/26 budget and agreed that it be in line with the approach taken in 2024/25, as outlined in paragraph 4;

 

b) the Schools Forum unanimously agreed that consultations with schools as outlined in paragraph 5 should still take place. 

 

 

 

 

Action(s)

The SFBP to provide a response with regards to de-delegations with special schools as they are not subject to the national funding formula.

 

The SFBP in collaboration with the school effectiveness team to produce web forms for future consultations to aid in improving response rates. 

 

 

 

 

8.

HIGH NEEDS FUNDING AND DEDICATED SCHOOLS GRANT (DSG) DEFICIT MANAGEMENT PLAN pdf icon PDF 333 KB

To report on the pressures facing the High Needs budget and to report on progress delivering the Deficit Management Plan (ESFA tool).

 

Additional documents:

Minutes:

The Senior Finance Business Partner (SFBP) introduced the item the purpose of which was to report on the pressures facing the High Needs budget and progress delivering the Deficit Management Plan (ESFA tool). The principal points were noted:

 

·       The forum was informed of the deficit position in 2021/22 and although the deficit was initially modest, it has risen considerably since.

·       The High Needs DSG block overspent by £5.1 million 2023/24. This increased the Council’s cumulative DSG deficit to £6.1 million at 31 March 2024.

·       The main areas that attributed to this were.

o   Out-county schools (overspend of £2.3m)

o   Special school top-ups (overspend of £0.7m)

o   School top-ups (overspend of £0.8m)

·       The latest forecast end of year position indicates an overspend of £7.6million which means a cumulative deficit of £13.7 million at 31 March 2025.

·       Currently the DSG Deficit is an un-useable reserve on the Council’s Balance sheet and enables all local authorities to ring fence DSG Deficits from the overall financial position in the statutory accounts until March 2026. Once the override periods ends, the deficit will have an impact on the council’s overall financial position a point that is resonating around all local authorities across the country.

·       It was highlighted in the External Auditors annual report 2023/24 the DSG deficit had been a risk to the Council's financial sustainability and recommended close working with schools to manage this expenditure.

·       Mitigating plans currently in place such as nurture hubs, Widemarsh explorers and autism hubs would continue.

·       Future plans for repurposing buildings and the successful bid to build a new 80 place special free school would aid in the reduction of independent provider provision which has been driving up costs.

 

The forum was asked to consider further strategies to manage spend and mitigate the growing deficit, how the council can encourage cost saving actions in schools and if schools would find an Internal Audit review/self-assessment helpful.

 

In response to forum questions and comments, it was noted;

 

1.     The Service Director, Education, Skills and Learning (SDESL) assured the forum that she meets with the department regularly and constantly raises the issues around finance. She noted the lack of transparency and forward planning from the department makes it difficult for the local authority strategically, not knowing when there will be rounds of rebuilding or free school programmes. Strategic partners are sighted on the issues that schools are facing and there has been strong support from Councillor Powell the cabinet member for children and young people. It was highlighted that she would be meeting with the Local MP to ensure they were well informed of the issues.

2.     The cabinet member for children and young people informed the forum that both the County Council's network and the Local Government Association have recently written to the new chancellor (cc:d to local MPs) raising a range of matters to do with pressures on council budgets, but specifically raising the need for sensible levels of financing for special educational needs.

3.     A written response would be  ...  view the full minutes text for item 8.

9.

WORK PROGRAMME 2024/25 pdf icon PDF 13 KB

To review the work programme for 2024/25 and identify any additional items the forum wishes to consider.

Minutes:

The Service Director, Education, Skills and Learning (SDESL) informed the committee that there had been no new announcements with regards to the future of the Schools Forum.

10.

DATE OF NEXT MEETING

Friday 24 January 2025. 9:30am.

Minutes:

Friday 24 January 2025, 9:30am